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Jim
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cram it up your cram hole mugsy
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Daniel
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Wed Mar 15, 2025 6:25 pm
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I aint here to start a revolution. Just sayin it sucks balls is all.
EDIT: As a side note I know a ton of people who can't stand it. If we wanted to hear music with no structure we could listen to a kid playing the oboe for the first time. |
I don't know about you, son. You don't think The Good Life or Why Bother? are great, catchy little pop songs like everything on Blue? Their playing and the production's a lot looser on Pinkerton but to say the songs aren't structured is just silly. |
1. Never fully listened to Blue. After hearing Pinkerton I avoided everything else they did, which is why I posted it here, remember?
2. Alright, the songs aren't un-structured, they just have a really shitty structure and opt for the most rugged fucking chords ever played on a guitar. It sounds like the guitarist is playing the guitar for the first time in a Guitar Center every time he tries to 'break-down.' Plus the singer sounds like such an amateur on it. What the hell is with him, he sounds like he's struggling to hit his notes the whole album (mind you I am listening to it right now, so this isnt't from memory anymore).
The Good Life has some nostalgic qualities but other than that this album has no value for me. |
How the fuck are the structures shitty? And rugged chords? What does that mean? You don't like the guitars because they have distortion on them or something? And what do you mean by "break-down?" I think the singing is fine and that you're shitting on it because it seems like an easy target. I mean, he's not perfect on everything but what the fuck, this is rock n roll, not the opera.
And the drums are awesome so shut the fuck up about Pinkerton before I burn down your house with a burning flame.
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Justin
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Wed Mar 15, 2025 6:59 pm
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| 1. Never fully listened to Blue. After hearing Pinkerton I avoided everything else they did, which is why I posted it here, remember? |
Yeah. And you missed the point. This thread was supposed to be about bands you once loved, grew sour on, and gained a new found appreciation for later on down the road.
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Richard
CUP OF WATER W/ A SPRINKLE OF SUGAR
Joined: 01 Sep 2025
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Location: Home of the 2005 NL WEST CHAMPS!!!!!!
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 4:23 am
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When I first saw the title of this new thread, I thought Justin was going to be talking about The Cars getting back together, but then I realized that like nobody really seems to ever like The Cars. I'm excited, anyway. |
But it's not really the cars. It's like Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce touring with Martin Rossiter and John Squire as the new Smiths. Or Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees as Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
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Mugsy
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 9:21 am
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How the fuck are the structures shitty? And rugged chords? What does that mean? You don't like the guitars because they have distortion on them or something? And what do you mean by "break-down?" I think the singing is fine and that you're shitting on it because it seems like an easy target. I mean, he's not perfect on everything but what the fuck, this is rock n roll, not the opera.
And the drums are awesome so shut the fuck up about Pinkerton before I burn down your house with a burning flame. |
I'm not gonna fight this fight with you sonny. I easily could defend my case further but thats not why I posted here, so fuck off. Why in the hell would I pretend to not like an album and post all about it because it's an "easy target?" I've told you what I dislike about the album and I guess that initiated the "oh no you di-int" part of your brain, but thats not going to change anything. Next time you want to get bitter with someone because they don't share your opinion on something, do me a favor and first think to yourself, "wait, is being a cock really the best course of action here?"
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1. Never fully listened to Blue. After hearing Pinkerton I avoided everything else they did, which is why I posted it here, remember?
Yeah. And you missed the point. This thread was supposed to be about bands you once loved, grew sour on, and gained a new found appreciation for later on down the road. |
No I got the point just fine. I've already said that I've reaquanted with Buddy Holly and the early singles that I really liked that got ruined by my hearing Pinkerton.
Christ, you guys act like I just took a shit on your bedspread, I wasn't expecting the damn lynch mob to show up when I posted here.
It's not like I'm trying to make trouble here.
EDIT: By the way, this isn't directed towards you Jim. I know you're just goofing around.
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Frank Stallone
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 11:22 am
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It's not that people here disagree with your opinion, per se. It's that your opinion doesn't seem to be based in reality. He's refuting your points, so stop getting just as pissy as you're accusing him of being. Basically, what's going on is like, if someone says they don't like At the Drive-In, then that's fine. I can understand why people might not like them. But if people don't like At the Drive-In because they hate the band's extensive use of the flute or the fact that their lead singer has an annoying crew cut, then I would maybe get a little annoyed.
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Mugsy
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 12:13 pm
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Even if you don't see eye to eye with why my opinion is what it is that is no reason to attack me for it. I would be glad to continue the conversation if it weren't for the fact that people are saying things like "stop saying things about Weezer before I burn your house down." Claiming I'm saying these things because it's an easy target is bullshit, it's just a way of attacking my opinion. I dont like being condescended to and if I am I'm going to react. Thats just the fact of the matter.
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Justin
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But you haven't explained anything. What are "rugged" chords? And where is there a breakdown in a Weezer song? I've listened to enough bad hardcore to be able to tell you that there's never been anything even close to a breakdown in anything Weezer's ever done. And I'm still not hearing this lack of structure you're talking about. Most of them are pretty basic verse/chorus/veruse/chorus/bridge/chorus/chorus power-pop songs.
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Bismark
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 12:29 pm
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| Even if you don't see eye to eye with why my opinion is what it is that is no reason to attack me for it. |
That's the only reason to attack people. This is the internet.
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TwinGalaxies
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| I have a thing for Goldfinger. Normally I'm not into the whole ska thing, and I really hate a lot of their stuff outside of their debut CD. Not long ago, I picked up their third disc, and it has quite a few tracks that reminded me what I liked them to begin with. |
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Justin
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 1:06 pm
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Oh, Goldfinger. I could've loved you again but you had to go and release Disconnection Notice. Open Your Eyes was bad. I mean, it had some good tracks on it, but c'mon guys. You're better than this.
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TwinGalaxies
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| I still haven't figured out the deal with the coconuts. |
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Daniel
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 5:24 pm
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| I would be glad to continue the conversation if it weren't for the fact that people are saying things like "stop saying things about Weezer before I burn your house down." |
I'm pretty sure claiming that I will "burn down your house with a burning flame" was a joke. But yeah, I'm actually interested in knowing what a "rugged chord" is and why you think the songs have shitty structures. Seriously.
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Mugsy
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 6:18 pm
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I don't see a reason to explain myself to someone who attacks me the second I tried to initially explain myself, Justin. I'm no glutton for punishment.
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| But if people don't like At the Drive-In because they hate the band's extensive use of the flute or the fact that their lead singer has an annoying crew cut, then I would maybe get a little annoyed. |
That is nothing close to what I said. It's not even comparable. I said that I dislike the structure, the singer's inabilities and the horrendous breakdowns, all of which are valid reasons to dislike a band or album. No more putting words in my mouth, alright?
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| That's the only reason to attack people. This is the internet. |
First, I was under the impression that we here pride ourselves on NOT being like 90% of the internet. It usually isn't like this, but it suddenly makes me wonder how true that is. Second, there is a massive difference between attacking arguing an opposing view. I feel like people crossed the line with how they showed their distaste. If you want to debate it out, I've proven all over the news forum that I'm capable of that, but don't expect a civilized response to an uncivilized argument. It wont always be in the cards.
Maybe I did misinterperet the 'burn your house down' thing, but the context clues were there. All I want is to be able to exchange my views with someone who wants to hear them enough that they won't use condescension to get it.
What I meant by rugged chords was that they often use nasty sounding chords or chords that sound innapropriate with the rest of the song.
They definately have break downs, at least in the way I define them. Break downs include solos and whenever they suddenly and completely change pace only to come back to the standard of the song later. Or more simply, when the structure fully changes. There are exceptions and alternatives and stuff, but I heard them in the album. And they were very novice-ish
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Daniel
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 6:48 pm
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I apologize if this is a cunty question, but what are some songs or albums that you think have good structures?
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SundownMotel
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Thu Mar 16, 2025 8:43 pm
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| Oh, Goldfinger. I could've loved you again but you had to go and release Disconnection Notice. Open Your Eyes was bad. I mean, it had some good tracks on it, but c'mon guys. You're better than this. |
Stop borrowing my brain.
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allisonrocks
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But it's not really the cars. It's like Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce touring with Martin Rossiter and John Squire as the new Smiths. Or Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees as Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. |
I saw this movie on a bus two years ago and could not believe what I was seeing. Leif Garret? Bee Gees? Aerosmith? Strawberry Fields effing kills Steven Tyler! I still can't make any sense of that crazy-ass thing.
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Shamrock
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This thread made me break out my old copy of Pinkerton and listen to it. Not once, but several times, which I thoroughly enjoyed and had not heard in a few years, especially because of my post-Make Believe ill will towards Weezer. So thank you.
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| I apologize if this is a cunty question, but what are some songs or albums that you think have good structures? |
The first song that immediately comes to mind is Everlong by the Foo Fighters.
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Mugsy
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Fri Mar 17, 2025 10:20 am
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| Daniel wrote: |
| I apologize if this is a cunty question, but what are some songs or albums that you think have good structures? |
Let's see (I'm looking in my iTunes right now because I cant think of any off the top of my head).
Everlong is a good choice. Use of Time, Beautiful Disaster and really a lot of other tunes on 311's Transistor have pretty innovative and interesting structures.
I'm thinking that structure was the wrong word, because I'm not really talking about the "chorus/verse/bridge" idea. I can't really think of a word for it, but what I mean is the ability to follow what they are doing, or keep with them as they make the changes. Because of a lot of either feedback or bad guitar playing or something else the album is nearly impossible to follow. I know that could just be a product of bad mixing but that dosen't remove the stain from the album. I just can't enjoy it. Shred guitarists have the same problem a lot of the time with me, but I let it slide for them because when I do follow them it blows me away.
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Frank Stallone
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Those songs you used for examples are apparently by bands that are not Weezer.
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