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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Magnus J. Perriculum » Tue Apr 14, 2025 3:39 pm

White Panther wrote:I can do nothing but laugh. This thread is astounding... a dispicable display of grossly ignorant, hateful and damaging viewpoints.

Faith in humanity: still bleak.

Best of luck to us all!


Come on dude, knock it off. Calling everyone who argues with you hateful and ignorant is really uncalled for. People have made several good cases for why the scene in question doesn't glorify rape. Hell, if you want to talk about comedies that glamorize rape, check out 40 Days and 40 Nights or Revenge of The Nerds sometime.
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Greg » Tue Apr 14, 2025 3:40 pm

*sigh*

Alright, B, I'm sorry. NOW you can lock this shit.

Plus he's actually putting effort into making a headlock look like a painful move and not a resthold, so you know that somewhere Randy Orton is crying under a pile of coats in the closet.

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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Magnus J. Perriculum » Tue Apr 14, 2025 3:44 pm

I hope this wasn't because of my post.
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby White Panther » Tue Apr 14, 2025 3:45 pm

Hey Bill, I better not catch you playing Mike Tyson's punch out on your NES emulator. Or listen to Wyclef Jean's The Carnival. And you can't eat gRAPEs anymore. Also, I wrote a short story in high school with a rape scene in it, so you can't be friends with me anymore, sorry.
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Zack Hoagie » Tue Apr 14, 2025 3:46 pm

we should just put a laugh track over irreversible

see how that plays out
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Greg » Tue Apr 14, 2025 3:48 pm

Magnus J. Perriculum wrote:I hope this wasn't because of my post.


No, it's just we started with a complex-but-mostly-civil discussion on the matter, and when B closed the thread I was kind of upset because I thought we were getting somewhere so I kinda got into a PM fight with him. But now a pedestal has knocked down that house of cards, and we just entered stupid-loopid land.

Plus he's actually putting effort into making a headlock look like a painful move and not a resthold, so you know that somewhere Randy Orton is crying under a pile of coats in the closet.

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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Kristen » Tue Apr 14, 2025 4:17 pm

Magnus J. Perriculum wrote:
White Panther wrote:I can do nothing but laugh. This thread is astounding... a dispicable display of grossly ignorant, hateful and damaging viewpoints.

Faith in humanity: still bleak.

Best of luck to us all!


Come on dude, knock it off. Calling everyone who argues with you hateful and ignorant is really uncalled for. People have made several good cases for why the scene in question doesn't glorify rape. Hell, if you want to talk about comedies that glamorize rape, check out 40 Days and 40 Nights or Revenge of The Nerds sometime.


no, WP is right, you are pretty ignorant, hateful with damaging viewpoints. but you're a bro, so whatevs, right? heh
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Fuzzy Dunlop » Tue Apr 14, 2025 4:23 pm

Hanstock wrote:I'll try it one more time:

You can like the movie all you want. You can get a fucking Observe and Report tattoo, I don't give a shit. If you loved the movie, awesome. I'm sure it's very funny. The character is despicable and unlikeable, I understand that. I get why the scene is in the movie. I don't disagree with the choice to include it and I don't believe that anything is off limits as far as being able to say and joke about whatever you want.

Just don't say that the scene depicted in the film is not rape. That's all.

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can we all just agree with this and leave it be? it's perfectly reasonable.

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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Hanstock » Tue Apr 14, 2025 4:32 pm

I feel that would be for the best.
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I’m a hetero-sexist tragedy. And potential rapists all are we.

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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Spoodles » Tue Apr 14, 2025 4:34 pm

Hey guys, this was a good movie. My favorite part of the movie was the other 95 minutes of it. Discuss?
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Just!n » Tue Apr 14, 2025 4:50 pm

Bill: I was mostly curious as to why you wouldn't ever intend on seeing the movie and whether there was a line of taste or discretion you felt had been crossed.
My response is that I will not be seeing this film.

This is what I was addressing.
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Best of luck to us all!

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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Folby » Tue Apr 14, 2025 5:35 pm

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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Rusty Cooledge » Tue Apr 14, 2025 5:44 pm

Can't decide if this is the funniest thread or the most infuriating thread.
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Emily » Tue Apr 14, 2025 5:48 pm

I'd say infuriating, but probably for a different reason than you.


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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Ed » Tue Apr 14, 2025 5:53 pm

See, this is what I don't get. A number of people have made the case that they agree that rape is being depicted, which I believe was the original argument.

But I don't see how watching Observe and Report, a film in theaters, is tantamount to saying that rape is cool or whatever.

I'll reiterate my point from a few pages ago: I've read a large amount of criticism on the scene, and one of the opinions that I read was that if Brandi hadn't said the "Why'd You Stop...?" line then it would have been less of an occasion to get up in arms. Would anyone care to expound upon this or tell me why they think it is right/wrong?

EDIT: Amanda Marcotte has an in-depth on what I'm referencing above. http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/this_time_a_real_blog_post_on_observe_and_report/
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Rusty Cooledge » Tue Apr 14, 2025 6:08 pm

I really feel I got this right the first time so let me reiterate.

The issue is that a date rape joke was made, and people have seemingly defended the data rape joke as decidedly not date rape. Suffice to say, it was. The character in the fictional comedy movie, portrayed by Anna Faris of Scary Movie and House Bunny fame, was unable to give consent to sexual activity due to her consumption of alcohol and prescription drugs. Despite this the character of Ronnie, portrayed by Seth Rogen, made love to her in what he viewed, in his delusional state of mind, as a consummation of their love. In reality, and were it to occur in real life (which it didn't, but does often hence the social satire nature of the joke) the character of Ronnie would be charged with rape much to his bewilderment.

The joke however, depicting a date rape scenario, was not so much that "lol he is committing date rape" so much as "lol he thinks they are making love together" as well as Faris' line "Why did you stop mother fucker?"(Hill, 2009). This line is funny because up to this point we believe Rogen is having sexual relations with an unconscious woman, when in reality she is awake and aware of what is taking place. Her speaking combined with the line itself provide unexpected comedic relief.

Few could argue however that this implies that date rape is condonable. That, I don't believe, was the argument in place. What was being argued more so is that the scene depicting the date rape was played for laughs in a dark comedy which depicted various scenes of social satire, including criminal accusations based on skin color, alcoholism, children working in the illegal drug market, and abuse of authority by a mall security cop. None of these things were implied as "okay" and were depicted for the purpose of making people laugh. In fact, it can be argued the humor stems from an awareness that these things are wrong and frowned upon in our society.

However, there are those that disagree with my sentiments and do not feel the date rape scene was in good taste, and they went so far as to boycott the film and speak out about it's inclusion. This is acceptable. I disagree as I think we should be able to joke about these things. We have free speech in this country and can do so. Hiding from these social issues and being incapable of joking about them makes them larger threats that seek to paralyze us from dealing with them. This is what I believe.

Suddenly everyone in this thread not on the side of "date rape in a movie is wrong" gets called ignorant and hateful and Magnus gets called a bro out of nowhere. Did I miss anything?
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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Andy » Tue Apr 14, 2025 6:10 pm

Kristen wrote:I am never going to see this movie, so you guys should stop busting an Andy and tell me what it is about. You can PM me to avoid spoilers for those who do want to see it.

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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Emily » Tue Apr 14, 2025 6:12 pm

I have to say that I agree pretty much exactly with Lindsay’s take. I have no problem with putting rape in a movie, or even using it for dark comedy, which could, in theory, be done well. I’ve often strained against feminists who claim there’s entire categories of things that can’t be joked about. But if you’re going to put rape in your movie, put rape in your movie. Don’t put a rape in your movie, and then create a faux “out” so that the sexist idiots who see your movie can tell themselves it wasn’t really rape. And don’t pretend it’s edgy to slap every stereotype imaginable about women who deserve to be raped, either.


This. This is my entire point, and the problem I had with the general direction of the thread. This is also, I think its safe to say, the bee in Ryan and Bill's britches. Not just in regards to this issue, but many other issues that come up on this forum. Willful ignorance, and an unwillingness to look critically at the things we enjoy.


The quote is from the piece Eddie linked, by the way.


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Re: go see Observe and Report immediately

Postby Lindy » Tue Apr 14, 2025 6:13 pm

That's about enough everybody.

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